Yes, he has forgiven President Arroyo. He says he has long released to God the pain of having been cheated and does not want personal bitterness to run his life.

And yes, he is moving on – by running again in the 2010 presidential elections.

Religious and political leader Bro. Eddie C. Villanueva is not one to carry grudges in his heart, that would be against the very teachings he espouses. But he is also not one to sit out his country’s problems, which he describes, have become even horrible and monstrous.

“More so when I saw shocking poverty, families eating worms from trees. I saw on TV a mother cooking cockroaches and when she could not find anymore cockroach in her home, she asked her neighbor to allow her to catch cockroaches!’’ says the aghast Bro. Eddie, still hoarse from the previous night’s campaign caravan in Balanga, Bataan.

He would have wanted to rest after his harrowing experience in the 2004 elections and just go about expanding his Jesus is Lord (JIL) flock. But the urgency for a righteous, good governance for this country had been hovering in his head, making him finally decide after serious discernment, that he would once again seek the highest position in the land.

Now 63, Bro. Eddie stared poverty and injustice in the face as a young boy in Bocaue, Bulacan when his own parents became victims of landgrabbers. He then joined the student movement at the Philippine College of Commerce (now Polytechnic University of the Philippines), and graduated to militant labor movements that opposed the Marcos’ dictatorship in the ‘70s.

“I was jailed twice during Marcos’ time when I was trying to finish my education at the UP College of Law, while at the same time teaching Political Economy at the PUP,’’ he recalls.

By that time, he had already become an atheist espousing the non-existence of a Higher Being to his students, farmers and laborers, almost joined the ranks of the NPA (New People’s Army). But a life-changing encounter with God in 1973 turned his life and his faith around. Five years later, he was to establish JIL, which now has more than three million members in 44 countries.

His party Bangon Pilipinas believes that for the country to recover from the terminal cancer of corruption, injustice and poverty, the next President should lead his people back to the basic tenets of love for God and love for country.

“I would be a leader with genuine love and compassion for people. Unang-una, hindi ko ikinahihiya na mahal ko ang Diyos, mahal ko ang aking bansa, ang aking kapwa. If you love God, you have to love your country and care about what is happening. When you genuinely love your Creator, you must have compassion for the sufferings of human beings,’’ he states.

If elected, Bro. Eddie will prioritize getting rid of bad governance, and concentrate efforts on improving economy, education and peace and order in the land. He is teaching by example, shunning corruption in his volunteer-driven campaign by not engaging in vote-buying, coercion, and other dishonest ways of getting votes.

It takes a lot of character for a man to forgive his oppressor, but it takes genuine courage to rise up, try again – and believe. This is what this man is all about. Excerpts of our 60-minute interview. (Ivy Lisa Mendoza)

Students and Campuses Bulletin (SCB): It was alleged that you were massively cheated during the last elections, so why are you running again?

Eddie C. Villanueva (ECV): Ayoko na talagang tumakbo. Pero kinukonsiyensya ako ng milyong supporters. Ilang milyon ang dumating sa amin sa Rizal Park, alam ng lahat ‘yun. We cannot accept that those supporters of Bangon Pilipinas were just shortchanged. They asked me to run again to give justice to the people who supported me. I was also convicted by my conscience when I know that the problems of the Philippines last 2004 were compound and complex, and now they’re even horrible and monstrous.

SCB: Why do you say so?

ECV: Statistics and empirical evidence show that patriotic Filipinos should not remain in the comfort zone but be involved. For instance, the 57 victims of a gruesome massacre by the Ampatuans in Mindanao, are a glaring example of the nation’s worsening condition.

We all know that there is no genuine democracy in the Philippines. The system is absolutely controlled by those who control economic and political power. Unless we democratize the system, there is no hope for genuine democracy to prosper in this country. I fully understand that because I was a radical activist, an atheist before (laughs)! But more so when I saw shocking poverty, families eating worms from trees. I saw on TV a mother cooking cockroaches and when she could not find anymore cockroaches in her home, she asked her neighbor to allow her to catch cockroaches!

Alam ninyo, may ugali ako, hindi ako nakakatulog sa gabi, kumukulo ‘yung dugo ko.

Our economy is bankrupt, poverty is worsening. One out of three Filipinos is poor and 24 percent of 90 million people are suffering from involuntary hunger.

I was convicted by my conscience. As long as there is no alternative national leadership that can be established, there is no hope for this country. I am thinking of the future of the youth.

SCB: Why did you finally accept the challenge?

ECV: Because this is not the kind of government, the kind of country you and I want. Why do I have to leave my comfort zone? Ang asawa, ang mga anak ko ayaw. But last year, hinipo sila ng Panginoon, nakonsiyensiya sila. Ano kako gusto ninyo sa akin mga anak, ‘pag tumanda na ako, hindi na ako makalakad, titingnan ko ‘yung bansa na natutunan kong mahalin higit pa sa buhay ko noong ako’y aktibista pagkatapos pinagsasawaan na lang ng mga aso’t baboy?

Paano ko titingnan sa mata ang mga kabataan, sasabihin nila, ikaw Bro. Eddie, naiintindihan mo ito pero pinabayaan mo kami.

SCB: Is it true that you had been prophesied to be the next President?

ECV: There is no such specific prophesy that I would be President, that is an exaggeration. What these people are saying is that it is God’s will for the Philippines to have a good and righteous leader, and that the Philippines has suffered enough. The prophesy of different people is that it is God’s will to establish righteous leaders.

God’s principles on governance is that righteous leadership must be installed in every government. And since according to many Christian leaders, there is no Christian leader in the Philippines who has the capacity and the capability to establish righteous good governance, at this point in time, they are with me. They know that I used to be a political economist, a political animal, during Marcos’ time. It is the will of God for the Philippines to rise again.

SCB: You’re known as a religious leader. Will you approach the leaders of other religious denominations to woo their votes?

ECV: Some religious leaders have sent their pastors to me and they say that they will be involved. A big group with three million members sent three pastors to our office and said that I was being invited by their spiritual leader. Their church does not involve itself in political exercise, but this time, they felt for the nation, and they could not see any hope from traditional politicians, so they extended their support to me. They told me not to give up, that we were fighting for the greater interest of our nation.

SCB: But what if some of these groups have teachings that are contrary to yours. How do you reconcile that?

ECV: First of all, I am a full-blooded Democrat before I became a Christian evangelist. I hate to see discrimination.

Secondly, I fully understand that as far as establishing good government is concerned, religious beliefs should not be a factor because even atheists can conceive righteous government.

The Constitution provides that no religious test is required in the exercise of civil and political rights. In other words, according to Fr. Joaquin Bernas, the Constitution does not prohibit any religious, godly, righteous Filipino leader to run for public office. Even smugglers, actors and actresses, even gambling lords, are allowed to offer public service to the people, why prevent righteous godly people who are competent if not more competent (laughs)?

I learned a lesson from John F. Kennedy, the first Catholic President of the United States of America. On the first day that he assumed his office in the White House, he was visited by a cardinal obviously asking for a special favor prejudicial to the non-Catholics. Kennedy said, “I’m sorry, Cardinal. My religion is very important to me, but first and foremost, I am elected as President of the American people.”

Seeker of truth

SCB: Did you say you used to be an atheist?

ECV: I used to teach my students, farmers, fishermen, workers, not to believe in God, that there was no God. If there was God, how come billions of people are languishing in abject poverty, and there are people wallowing in wealth? I told them what we need was to unite the masses and spark the light of democratic revolution because it is the only way to establish a just and humane society. I was very sincere but sincerely wrong (laughs). But I am a truth seeker. I didn’t allow myself to be pressured by what people may say.

SCB: Did you become an atheist because you were seeking for truth?

ECV: I became an atheist when I was exposed to social injustices. My own parents were victimized by land grabbers, usurers, when I was in high school.

When I entered UP Diliman, I was forced to stop before the end of the semester because my parents could hardly give me transportation money.

SCB: Galit kayo sa mundo?

ECV: Galit ako sa mundo dahil I hate injustice. My elder brother gave me tuition for UE (University of the East) where I was already qualified for a full scholarship, but I was led to go to PCC (Philippine College of Commerce), which is now the Polytechnic University of the Philippines (PUP). It was there that I was exposed to the teachings of Recto, Renato Constantino, of Mao Tse Tung. Practically I just became an atheist. Before my graduation I was requested to teach there because I was a consistent academic scholar.

My belief then was that belief in God is just a product of the fertile imagination of human minds for the psychological satisfaction of suffering people during ancient times. But my sister, who was an activist in UP, moved to America and became a born-again Christian. There she started writing to me, that once I become an activist atheist I will be damned to hell, we’ll never see each other again. I said, “What happened to you in America? You became stupid! I don’t need your sermon about God, what we need is dollars!”

SCB: You were this hardened?

ECV: ‘Yung dati kasi, ang mamatay para sa bayan kasing bigat ng bundok ng Sierra Madre. ‘Yun ang prinsipyo ko. There was a crisis that I almost went up the hills. I organized the victims-complainants of the land grabbing syndicate in Bulacan. Sabi ko sa mga victims, don’t cry. If you don’t get justice in the present system, I’m planning to go up the hills and join my former colleagues in activism, who are now members of the NPA (New People’s Army).

SCB: You had a very exciting youth, did you regret any part of it?

ECV: No. You know, I even debated personally with (Ferdinand) Marcos in Malacañang Palace as a student leader in PCC. During his initial years in administration, Marcos allowed students to go inside Malacañang grounds. There was a microphone there and I debated with the budget commissioner on the budget for PCC. With thousands of students and faculty members, PCC is a state college, I said, and these students come from poor families, why don’t you give us a bigger budget? How come you lent P100 million to Cebu using mountains and seas as collaterals? You gave P100 million to the Food Terminal market, P47 million to San Juanico Bridge and no one was using that bridge at the time, and yet no money for a state university? Is it because you cannot find any children of congressmen and senators in this school?

So si Marcos, tinawag kami sa loob, kinonsiyensiya ko siya. Nagpunta siya sa PCC, baha! We challenged him na lumusong, lumusong doon sa Lepanto. Pagkatapos, ibinigay sa amin ‘yung 20 hectares na lupa sa Sta. Mesa. Ang PUP ngayon is the biggest people’s university with 62,000 students in 27 branches. I was invited as the longest-sitting university regent for a decade in that university before I founded JIL Colleges Foundation.

SCB: Do you miss teaching?

ECV: Yes. But you know, preaching is like teaching. I taught Political Economy, Management, Finance, Cooperatives, Political Science for several years while studying at the UP College of Law.

Priority: Education

SCB: What is your platform for education?

ECV: We have yet to overhaul the education system. Dysfunctional ang education system natin. According to a research, 11.6 million are out-of-school-youths, from six to 24 years old.

Bakit dysfunctional? Where in the world can you find a doctor taking up Nursing, a lawyer taking up Nursing. Three years ago, this happened not only in Metro Manila but in many provinces. Secondly, graduate ng Education, domestic helper ang trabaho in other countries. Tapos nang Botany, dapat nasa laboratory pero nandun sa call center.

SCB: Why should young people vote for you?

ECV: Alam mo ba kung bakit ako nagsasakripisyo nang ganito? Para sa kabataan. Kaming mga may edad na, we survived all kinds of sufferings. Binaril ako noong tinutulungan ko ‘yung mga manggagawa sa strike, dinukot ako sa labas ng munisipyo ng Marilao, alas dos ng madaling araw. Marami na akong experiences.

Hindi na maalis sa puso ko ang patriotism kasi kabataan ako noong ako’y naging aktibista at naintindihan ko ‘yun eh. Alam ninyo ba bago ako natapos ng pag-aaral eh, ang library ng PCC at that time ay kakaunti ang books, ang accounting books then ang mahal-mahal. Nag apply ako sa isang bookstore as a student assistant, nahuli ako, ‘pag wala nang tao halos andun ako sa gilid nagbabasa ako, tapos napilitan akong mag resign.

Ayokong-ayoko na mayroong kabataan who is denied of good education simply because of poverty. ‘Yung mga magulang nila victims of poverty, ‘yung mga nakakulong, you cannot condemn them. Even ‘yung nagnakaw, how can you condemn them, they are victims of this wicked society. Sana maganda ang society eh ang judicial system hindi maganda. Sana may economic opportunities around. I can debate with anyone.

SCB: May isang kandidato na nag promise ng free college education, is that feasible?

ECV: Kung ang president ay matino, incorruptible, at talagang zero corruption, possible ‘yan. Kasi kami tinanggap namin ‘yung clamor ng kabataan last year eh — Youth for Zero Corruption, may formula kami dun.

Kawawa naman ang mga state universities na napabayaan. Ako ‘yung tulong ko sa mga state university, grabe. Dodoblehin ko. Kinakailangan bawat probinsya, may state university na. At lahat ng mahihirap makakapag-aral ng libre. Ibubuhos ko lahat ng nalalaman ko rito.

SCB: Watching you in presidential forums, we see that you are fond of quoting famous people like Mahatma Ghandi, JFK…

ECV: Kasi para konsiyensiyahin ko ‘yung mga responsible groups of people sa grinding poverty na dinaranas ngayon ng maraming Filipinos. Eh si Mahatma Ghandi, hindi naman Christian, sinabi niya “Poverty is the worst form of violence.” Eh kung tayo nga nasho-shock sa mga massacre, sa mga extra-judicial killings, patayan araw-araw. Everyday people are suffering from grinding poverty, mga Kristiyano tayo, hindi ba tayo kinikilabutan? Hindi ba tayo nakokonsensiya? Bakit ayaw nating kumilos?

Ang sabi ni Nelson Mandela, “Poverty is man-made and therefore, man has the right and the obligation to correct it.” Kaya ko kino-quote sila, to remind ‘yung mga leaders natin, eh mga Kristiyano ‘yan.

SCB: Quoting these people, to us, showed how well-read you are. Are you well-read?

ECV: Tanong niyo kay Mike Enriquez (laughs). Napasok niya ‘yung aking prayer study room na parang library. Wala akong bisyo kundi magbasa eh. Diyos, pamilya at pagbabasa.

Making a stand

SCB: What is your stand on the Reproductive Health Bill?

ECV: I am against all forms of abortion because abortion is murder. I respect human life. However, I am absolutely in favor of crafting a sound family planning program. A responsible parenthood program should be implemented because irresponsible parenthood produces not only potential criminals but a generation of miserable human beings.

The number one problem in the Philippines is poverty. If poverty is resolved, all these debates will probably be secondary.

SCB: What about divorce?

ECV: Divorce is allowed in the Bible also for exceptional conditions. Although the Bible is very clear that what God has put together, no man should separate, but in my study of the Bible, I discovered that when there is a sin of infidelity on any part of the couple, God is allowing, not commanding, divorce. It is not the perfect will of God. It becomes the permissible will of God. The perfect will of God is for families to be together.

SCB: What is your stand on gay civil unions?

ECV: My stand is very clear. Any Filipino, regardless of gender, regardless of sex, regardless of political or religious belief, as long as he or she is qualified to run for public office, as required by our Constitution, he or she should be respected. To me, religious belief or gender or sex should not be a barrier to prevent the exercise of one’s civil and political rights.

But marriage is different. I respect civil and political rights, but my personal stand is that I cannot violate the commandments of God, or else I am a pseudo-preacher of righteousness.

When I was converted from atheist to a Christian evangelist, I discovered that God hates all kinds of sins, but God loves all sinners. If I see a sinner, I have to love him. And if I can help him or her to be delivered and inherit eternal life and be safe from the fires of hell, I will do my best. That’s my duty. If I know you are going to destruction or tragedy, I will try to prevent you because that is my duty to God and my duty to you. I have to love my fellowmen and I love my God. If I fail, it’s alright, at least I am not remiss in my duty as a human being to care for one’s fellowmen.

I have to consult my conscience there. Baka kasi magkasala ako dun mismo sa mga tao na ‘yun eh, hindi lang sa Diyos. Pero kapag ‘yan ang overwhelming sentiment, then I have to respect.

SCB: Are you for death penalty?

ECV: Absolutely. May personal take ako sa death penalty pero I have to abide by the collective wisdom of the Filipino people. Gusto ko ibalik ang death penalty not against poor criminals but against the moneyed criminals. Biblical na biblical ang death penalty. Corrupt ang judicial system eh, maraming nakakulong pero fabricated lang ‘yung evidence eh. They cannot hire good lawyers. Bankrupt ang judicial system eh. ‘Yan ang isa sa mga uunahin kong i-overhaul. Pero ‘yung mga plunderers na P50 million ang ninakaw sa kaban ng bayan, ‘yang mga syndicated warlodism na nagmamasacre ng ganyan, sa akin death penalty agad ‘yan. Hindi na tao yan eh. Personality na ni Satan ‘yan eh.

SCB: Do you have a specific plan for OFWs?

ECV: There are 48 countries with JIL chapters. Puro OFWs ‘yan. Exposed na exposed ako sa lahat ng tragedies ng OFWs. Isa ako sa nanguna sa rally sa Singapore para kay Flor Contemplacion.

Ang aming programa sa OFWs, make their industry optional eventually, not a necessity. How? We will implement the economic centerpiece ng Bangon Pilipinas — massive rejuvenation of the economy, through SME (small-medium enterprises) generation and growth. This, together with small enterpreneurial high schools and training centers all over the Philippines to give opportunities to all people, even graduates of TESDA (Technical Education and Skills Development Authority), na maging enterpreneurs.

I will also overhaul all embassies and consulates outside the Philippines to be the No. 1 assistance center for OFWs, and at the same time fighting for labor rights and other rights of OFWs. Sa baba ng suweldo, ang mga OFWs minamaltrato sa ibang bansa. Nawala kasi ang respeto sa Pilipinas, nawala ang moral ascendancy ng mga Pilipino. Ang tingin sa Pilipino a nation of slaves.

There will be special action units at the Department of Foreign Affairs. No delay, I can assure you that. But my only request for you is this, never allow any Filipino applicant in your embassy or consulate to be mistreated. I don’t want to hear any Filipino applying for a visa to be mistreated or else, I will not hesitate to use my presidential power to declare anyone of you persona non grata if you do not respect the culture and values and honor, dignity of my countrymen.

SCB: What about corruption? How do you plan to eradicate this societal menace?

ECV: Ewan ko kung nabalitaan ninyo na inofferan ako ng Malacañang — Finance Secretary, Presidential Adviser. ‘Yung huli, 2007 bago mag election, Anti-Corruption Czar.

“Can you be the Anti-Corruption Czar and restore the confidence of foreign investors?” sabi nung nag offer sa akin.

Siyempre sa isip ko they want to stabilize the illegitimate presidency. Sabi ko, “Okay, if ever I accept, do you guarantee that this couple in Malacañang will listen to my simple conditions?”

“What’s your condition, Bro. Eddie?”

“Full military support?”

“What do you mean?”

“I should be the one to overhaul and appoint the people in the Commission on Audit, the Ombudsman, and Department of Justice. I must be able to form my own composite army selected from AFP, PNP and NBI, and I should be allowed to form task forces, headed by principled lawyers, and principled certified public accountants.”

“What will you do with these task forces?”

“Task force No. 1, within 30 days, submit to this office everything about Terminal 3 scandal. Task force No. 2, within 30 days, submit to this office everything about fertilizer scandal. Third, the North Rail scandal. Fourth, the communication scandal, etc. Give me six months and we will overhaul and dismantle corruption and I shall be allowed to recommend, no Cabinet members, just two undersecretaries in every major department. One undersecretary for transparency and accountability affairs.”

“What do you mean”

“No P5 million transaction in any government office will be implemented without proper scrutiny and upon approval by this office.”

“How about the other undersecretary?”

“That undersecretary will be for moral and spiritual revolution. He will be in charge of conducting work ethics seminar, restoration of honesty and integrity in public service and improving public service to the people. That’s all. If the couple would think that I might accept even without salary...”

SCB: Bumalik pa ba?

ECV: Nagtanong pa nang isa, “Baka pumayag ‘yung mag-asawa, pero will you agree if you first give to everyone general amnesty?”

Alam niyo kung ano ginawa ko? I called it. Okay, no problem with me. If the First Gentleman is willing to apply for general amnesty or Jose Pidal or any instant crony or instant billionaire during their regime, no problem with me because I understand God’s principles on governance anchored on justice and forgiveness. Pero siguraduhin ninyo ‘yung mag-asawa sincere and serious, walang mangongontra, walang ganster-gangster sa akin, walang control-control sa akin.

Ayun tinaboy ko na!

2010 Elections

SCB: Aren’t you apprehensive about the automated elections?

ECV: How I wish but the problem is 30 percent is manual. Pangalawa merong mga balita na merong special operation, isang cabinet member at isang retired general ang mag-ooperate, kumalat ‘yan eh. I received that text message. Na talagang may isang Korean hacker na imamaneobra itong results.

Ang aking stand diyan, walang nakakaalam, meron kasi kaming nationwide network, up to barangay level, different groups.

SCB: Brother sinabi po ni Sen. Gordon in a radio interview that someone was trying to buy his candidacy, reimburse him for all his expenses and appoint him in his cabinet. Has this happened to you also?

ECV: Last year, may nagpahaging na ganyan, na ‘yung gastos ibabalik. Kung papayag ba daw ako? Natawa nalang ako. Brod, you do not know me, I said.

SCB: We can just imagine how stressful campaigning is, how do you unwind?

ECV: Mag hapon kami motorcade. Minsan hihinto kami sa kalsada, kakamayan mo. ‘Yung iba umiiyak pa eh, ‘yung bang gustong-gusto nila magkaron ng pagbabago pero wala sila magawa. Masaya sana ako kung merong lang matinong leader na lulutas sa mga problema sa Pilipinas eh. Ang dami kong gagawin sa ibang bansa eh. Meron akong tatlong apo sa America biro mo lumalaki na hindi ko man lang nayayakap eh. ‘Pag hinahanap ako sa chat, naiiyak na nga lang ako eh!

SCB: What kind of a President will you be?

ECV: I would say a leader with genuine love and compassion for people. Unang-una, hindi ko ikinahihiya na mahal ko ang Diyos, mahal ko ang aking bansa, ang aking kapwa. Presidente ako pero hindi ako puwede maging lord, lording over the people.

Ipakikita ko na ang public office is a public trust. Ang public servants ay talagang servants, hindi boss. Ang Malacañang, not just for the favored few, it will be opened to Juan dela Cruz. Ang luwag ng Malacañang Park, ang dami mong mailalagay dun para mailapit mo ang gobyerno sa taong bayan.

Forgiveness

SCB: Brother Eddie, have you sincerely forgiven GMA for the 2004 elections?

ECV: You know, ugali ko kasi pagka meron nakasakit sa akin, pagkalubog ng araw pinapatawad ko na, nirerelease ko na sa Diyos. Ayokong meron akong personal na bitterness, ako rin ang mahihirapan. Maapektuhan ‘yung tulog ko eh (laughs).

Sabi ng Bible kasi many years ago nabasa ko, kapag nagalit ka sa isang tao, kailangan bago lumubog ‘yung araw nairelease mo ‘yung galit mo. Nagsusuffer ka eh. Mataas ang standard ng Diyos eh.

Sa akin personally, naintindihan ko siya eh, biktima siya ng wicked, sinful society. Naimmerse siya eh. Alam mo senador palang ‘yan (referring to GMA), tinulungan ko na. Vice-presidential candidate, tinulungan ko ‘yan. Kinumbinse niya lang ako sa apartment niya, sa harap ng asawa niya at iba pang tao, ‘Bro. Eddie dwindling na ‘yung demonstration ni President Cory sa Makati. Magmobilize ka nga ng tao. Pangako ko naman to, lalabanan natin ang corruption, poverty at injustice…

SCB: Oh so you believed in her before?

ECV: Alam mo I gave the President so much benefits of the doubt. No one can accuse me na personal, no! ‘Yung ibang nakapaligid sa kanyang religious leaders kinakantiyawan ako, sinisiraan ako. Ako raw ay hindi sport, bakit hindi daw ako makipagtulungan kay Presidente etc.

Sabi ko eh pinuntahan ako sa bahay ng Presidente niyo, simple lang naman ‘yung aking kundisyon. Ipakita mo, at kakalimutan ko na yung pandaraya mong ginawa nung 2004. Eh nakita naman natin di ba nagsalita siya sa United Nations, ‘My government is very sincere in fighting corruption. I even allocated P3 billion funds to fight corruption.’ Pagdating sa Pilipinas, eto ang sabi niya – ‘No Cabinet member should attend any congressional investigation without my personal consent. Just invoke executive privilege.’

SCB: We’re only human. Is it hard to forgive someone whom you think has not only offended you but millions of people as well?

ECV: Ang sa aking katwiran kasi, sinong tao ang alam niyang pupunta siya sa impiyerno at gagawin niya pa rin ‘yung ganun kahit alam niyang pupunta siya sa impiyerno. Siguro hindi siya naniniwala sa ganun. Ang alam niya lang basta nagsisimba siya sa araw-araw, naglilimos siya sa mahihirap, lahat ng kasalanan niya tinitimbang, napapalitan. Eh kanya-kanyang mindset ‘yun eh, kanya-kanyang level of understanding. Kahit ilang bilyon ang ipamigay mo sa mga simbahan ay sa impiyerno pa rin ang punta mo ‘pag ‘yung mga kasalanan mong nagawa ay hindi mo nahingi ng kapatawaran.

SCB: If you win, would you pursue cases against GMA?

ECV: Hindi lang si GMA, lahat. Kasi nga iooverhaul ko ‘yung justice system eh. Lahat ng may crimes against the Filipino people. Let the full force of the law be enforced. Kaya kailangan ko ng small composite army, I will temporarily be the secretary of national defense.